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...and as I meet Andy, he says, "Did you hear about the Columbia?"

I had just run into [livejournal.com profile] reive, and had a very pleasant conversation; had I not been so out of it, I doubtless would've had heard by then, and discussed it with her, as we are both space program aficionados. I am sad that it happened; I am bothered that I'm actually thinking at least as much about how NASA will replace the shuttle, as I am about those seven brave souls; I am trying not to think about how briefly this will focus people's attention on the space program, in all the wrong ways (no, this doesn't mean we should postpone further launches; no, it wasn't terrorists); trying not to think of how we could have a space program that does things for, say, what we spend on cosmetics each year; trying not to think about how we'll soon be spending money on war that could be used for space elevators. Launching lasers. Finding ways to get a pound of payload into orbit at a cost that makes commercialized space travel viable. Trying so, so hard not to think of Jerry Pournelle's quote:

"I always knew that I would see the first man on the moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last."

In the name of all that is dear and holy, why are we squabbling in the dirt, instead of reaching for the stars?

Date: 2003-02-01 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reive.livejournal.com
Dude I mentioned it to you really obliquely and I thought you knew and were just glossing over it!

Date: 2003-02-01 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coyotegoth.livejournal.com
Gaah- no; I don't have a TV at home, and this cold has me really out of it. Probably just as well, as now I'm sitting here at Andy's feeling distinctly UNsociable.

Date: 2003-02-01 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] micahreborn.livejournal.com
we know more about war than we do about space.

Date: 2003-02-01 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] czarchasm.livejournal.com
I have a few ideas on your last thought:

1.) Humans are very territorrial. I am very certain that if we were to colonize the Moon through cunning usage of flags, there would be more war. And I shudder to think of the possibilities of interplanetary settelment. Remember, most sci-fi involving humans in space had an Earth that was a hegemonious world government. We've got a ways to go....

2. There's no profit in it. That fact alone prevented a lot of commerce back when going fifty miles from your village was a completely different world, and it still holds true today. The cost of exploiting off-planet resources is too damn staggering, and we still have plenty here to squabble over. (I won't even make an Iraq reference)

3. The war for near space is still alive and well. I'll have to look for it, but there was a Wired article that outlined the US' outline for achieving orbital space supremacy. What's even better is that our rivals up there is EUROPE!!

To summarize, we're just not ready. Yet.

Space... the final front...hmmm.

Date: 2003-02-01 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oranjello.livejournal.com
If we actually invested in space it would eventually pay off. There is a reason all the sci-fi geeks write about astroid mining... lot of metals out there when we run out down here. Plus medical research, the benefits of a vast vac, and testing of physical laws we assume are valid here on this great BLUE ball of civilization.

Re: Space... the final front...hmmm.

Date: 2003-02-03 05:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] czarchasm.livejournal.com
That's all well and good, but I feel we should put our house in order before we go expanding. There's a firk-ton of benefits that would be present when we make this a full-time venture; but at this stage in human development, I think that we have to wait until things settle down a little on dirtside.

At least we know we can do it....

Date: 2003-02-01 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curmudgeon.livejournal.com
That quote popped into my mind earlier today and I was just now trying to find an attribution for it, and voila, here it is.

Nice to meet you; sorry for the circumstances.

*cries*

Date: 2003-02-01 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oranjello.livejournal.com
I totally agree with you, babe. Our future is in the stars in more ways than one and we pay so little homage to them. Our past and future lives, our gods, and maybe our salvation is up there and we do so little to reach them. Even our amazing city lights serve to blot them out of our vision. It is the lost dream of our generation. Much love to all that still think about it and keep it close to the heart. Think I will go watch Last Star Fighter and Space Camp and hug my teddy bear.

Date: 2003-02-01 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eloise.livejournal.com
You are posting on a Saturday??? How come? Drats, if I had known I might have logged on AIM! Peebles to you :P
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